…like I need a shotgun blast to the face!
I need to be told this...
Submitted by Neil Stevens on Tue, 2008-05-27 12:45.
This country is too important to let vengeance on McCain sway your decisions like that.
Better to just disengage than to give money the freaks. Seriously.
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Submitted by DocJ on Tue, 2008-05-27 15:03.
Wow. Guess I never knew that.
I dissent.
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Submitted by David Hinz on Tue, 2008-05-27 15:15.
He stood for a series of principles. In order to win the Libertarian Party nomination, he had to sell out those principles and adopt a platform in direct contradiction to what he has always professed to believe.
That makes him either, an opportunist, a hypocrite or a politician.
Or was I being redundent?
Submitted by DocJ on Tue, 2008-05-27 15:22.
I don't see much at his website that looks like he sold out much of anything - unless you're more in-tune with deals he had to cut to get the LP nomination I suppose I just don't see it.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
Submitted by David Hinz on Tue, 2008-05-27 15:48.
a pro-life Republican who believed that abortion was wrong. The LP takes an approach that a woman's body is her own and the government has no business passing laws regarding it.
It seems like he was a supporter of tough drug laws, while the LP advocates all drugs should be legal.
It seems like he was once more of a hawk, while the LP advocates an immediate withdrawal from Iraq -- if not bases all over the world.
Have I misunderstood any of this? I always had a lot of respect for Bob Barr, but the last two interviews I have heard from him, it sounds like the Thorazine is working.
Submitted by DocJ on Tue, 2008-05-27 15:57.
Last I heard on the subject, I'm pretty sure he still considers himself pro-life. And there is a substantial, though minority, strain in the LP that is pro-life as well. I know - I was part of it from 1996-2000.
It's well known that the LP is anti-drug-law - when has Barr said he agrees with that plank? BTW, I don't recall Barr being a particularly strong drug warrior when in congress, but because I don't know any better either way I'll grant your point that he was and suggest that, if he buys the LP line now, it's more that his position has "evolved over time" than anything else.
He was opposed to Iraq from Day One. That the LP has gone off the moonbat fringe is undeniable - I'll wait for something solid to come from the candidate vis-a-vis Iraq before passing judgment.
So again, what am I missing?
Again - don't confuse Barr with the LP. I mean, it's not like many people consider McKang a Republican, right?
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
Submitted by DocJ on Tue, 2008-05-27 15:15.
Maverick drops the "if you oppose McAmnesty it's because you hate brown people" shtick and I don't have a reason to give any more money to Bob Barr.
Pretty simple, really.
But because he just can't help himself I'm probably going to be out upwards of $200 before November rolls around.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
Submitted by Jaded on Tue, 2008-05-27 16:02.
keep a watch for us "rubes" out here who are doing the work Amerians will do :-)
Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion
Submitted by DocJ on Tue, 2008-05-27 16:07.
Everyone here seems to be concerned about my meager shekels going to Barr and not McKang or some single-issue org like NUSA - and no one but me and Steve-o seems to be concerned about Maverick's reliance on anti-nativist sentiment to try to justify jamming McAmnesty down our throats.
Eye on the ball, folks. Eye on the ball.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
Submitted by Jaded on Tue, 2008-05-27 16:13.
but they will benefit you more on this particular issue with Numbers than with Barr...you know that....
Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion
Submitted by DocJ on Tue, 2008-05-27 16:15.
It's just that I'm not a "single-issue" kind of guy. But I hear you, Jaded. Honest.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
Submitted by Jaded on Tue, 2008-05-27 16:22.
the use of meager sheckles...
Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion
Submitted by David Hinz on Tue, 2008-05-27 16:32.
If I let him anger me every time he opens his mouth, I'll probably be a serial killer by November. Better to spread it around. As I said, I've heard Bob Barr speak a couple of times recently, as he led up to his seeking the nomination.
He disappoints me.
Submitted by DocJ on Tue, 2008-05-27 16:34.
I suppose I'm not yet at "angered out" with Maverick.
Probably by July.
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Submitted by Neil Stevens on Tue, 2008-05-27 19:16.
It amazes me how many right-wingers they've fooled into believing they're allies with.
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Submitted by DocJ on Wed, 2008-05-28 02:47.
Or did you forget that I'm a recovering Libertarian (Vice-Chairman, LP of CT 1998-2000)? When I moved to MA in 2000 that I figured so long as I'm going to be affiliated with a minor party in the state it may as well be the GOP.
Granted that I've always been substantially right of center socially by Libertarian standards, but I'm rather more libertarian than Republican when it comes to economic policy - so I have real tension regardles of which Party of which I happen to be a member.
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Submitted by Neil Stevens on Wed, 2008-05-28 10:41.
The LP is many things but I wouldn't call it a ZPG group, heh.
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Submitted by DocJ on Wed, 2008-05-28 12:57.
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Submitted by Jaded on Wed, 2008-05-28 12:08.
what you will, and be as offensive as you like but that particular Zero Population group has gotten many a hidden amnesty thrown out of bills....and you personally have taken care of how many hidden items in bills?
Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion
Submitted by Neil Stevens on Wed, 2008-05-28 12:59.
They're a zero population growth lefty group. They're pro "economic justice," pro "sustainable environmental development," they claim among their supporters Robert C. Byrd, Gene McCarthy, Barbara Jordan, and part of the Carter administration. Its co-chair, Tim Wirth, is your typical green kook Democrat, who even worked with Al Gore on this stuff in the Clinton administration.
Numbers USA is a left-wing group with left-wing goals. So I'm sorry, but I think my description is accurate. Right-wingers are being duped if they give money ot these people.
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Submitted by DocJ on Wed, 2008-05-28 13:20.
I seem to recall Buchanan was on the board of one of these types of groups. I could very well be wrong though - it might be this one, in fact.
Then again, given N-USA's rather impressive growth over the last 3-4 years, it's entirely possible Buchanan is on board with them as well. That said, it's hard to argue they are anything other than pretty far left-of-center on darn near every issue other than immigration. And they are clearly and squarely in the Malthusian, ZPG camp.
Not someone I'm inclined to send any of my meager shekels to, in other words.
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Submitted by Neil Stevens on Wed, 2008-05-28 14:38.
Though it's Bay Buchanan and Tom Tancredo. Pat's just been prominently linked on the front page :-)
glad you agree on Numbers USA though, heh.
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Submitted by Jaded on Wed, 2008-05-28 13:57.
rightwinger will continue to donate because I don't personally have the time to check every bill that comes before congress and I will continue to pay them to notify me when I need to call my Senators and Congressmen....for that they are worthy of my money...interesting that you should be interested in anyone's "meager sheckles" and to whom they give them....what should they go to McCain? and if so why?
Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion
Submitted by Neil Stevens on Wed, 2008-05-28 15:35.
This is a conservative site. If people are giving to lefty groups, I'm going to speak up :-)
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.
Well, since Senator Maverick approves this message let me respond with a DocJ approved message that meets our strict posting guidelines...
Go do something anatomically impossible with yourself, Senator McKang. You mock the service and sacrifice of the very people on whose coffins you're standing when you use their heroism to justify your McAmnesty proposals. And you insult the intellect of any who have reasoned disagreements with you by playing the hispanic card in the process.
Every time you open your mouth to spill this vile crap Senator, I toss another $25 to Bob Barr's campaign. It's not a threat - it's a promise.
I'm DocJ and I approve this message.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.