A Wednesday open thread...

By DocJ - Posted on June 11th, 2008

Tagged: TMR

I really don't think we get enough of these here at TMR, so I'm going to try to toss one up mid-week every week. Feel free to spout-off on whatever burr is under your saddle at the moment.

For me, it's been all about trying to think of a tag-line that will actually motivate me to fill-in the McCain oval on what is otherwise likely to be an almost entirely vote-less November ballot here in the People's Republic. Trying to chanel the average American, I'm looking for something - you know - simple, straightforward, perhaps even short enough fit on a bumper sticker.

Below the fold you'll find my (heretofore unsuccessful) attempts to date...

They all start with F*** It - McCain in '08, followed by...

Because he's the least objectionable Democrat still running (nah - reminds me that I'm still voting for a Dem)
Because he sux less than the other guy (well that's closer, but I'm not sure just how true it is)
Because $6 gas will be so much easier to take with a Republican in the White House (nope - too long)
Porque usted hablará esta manera en 10 años de todos modos (close, but too long and too flipping painful to think about)
Because poop sandwiches are yummy! (well, that's the closest one yet)

See if you can do better!

A message to the Left and Barry Obama

Submitted by Steve Foley on Wed, 2008-06-11 07:17.

Please, please, please! keep trying to play gotcha games with McCain by using out of context remarks on Iraq.

The latest flair up and frenzy by the "reality based community" today is exactly what I mean... please keep this line of attack up until Nov. I'm begging you!

Dems pound McCain for new Iraq quote

Quote:

Democrats are barraging Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) with attacks for his statement on NBC’s “Today” show Wednesday that it’s “not too important” when U.S. troops return from Iraq.

The Obama campaign immediately scheduled a conference call with Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) to try to draw maximum attention to the comment. Also on the call will be Obama foreign policy advisers Susan Rice and Richard Danzig.

here's the actual quote:

Quote:

Matt Lauer asked about the surge strategy in Iraq: “If it's now working, do you now have a better estimate of when American forces can come home from Iraq?

McCain replied: “No, but that's not too important. What's important is the casualties in Iraq. Americans are in South Korea, Japan. American troops are in Germany. That's all fine. … We will be able to withdraw. … The key to it is that we don't want any more Americans in harm's way.

Haha Barry, Barry, Barry, Oh Barry -- and the KOS minions need to wake up and realize that this is a losing issue for them. they should shut up about Iraq because it's the one place the American people won't except inexperience and your boy has that in droves!

The lefts frenzy:
McCain Iraq “not too important”

The video

Submitted by Steve Foley on Wed, 2008-06-11 07:18.

Unfortunately Steve-o...

Submitted by DocJ on Wed, 2008-06-11 07:20.

I'm afraid we can expect a whole lot more of this. Even on those rare instances when he's actually right, JMac manages to create easy fodder for the other team (the whole dust-up over the equally out-of-context "100-years" remark, for example).

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

Watching this video

Submitted by Steve Foley on Wed, 2008-06-11 07:30.

was gut wrenching for me... McCain's inability to see the value and need for domestic production in the short term while transitioning to a hydrogen economy brings back all the reasons I disliked him in the first place.

he's so squishy and seemingly on the fence on issues it;s scares the stuffing out of me.

Is it just me?

Submitted by DocJ on Wed, 2008-06-11 10:20.

Or does it feel like a really, really slow day today?

Could be that for the first time in about a week the weather in the People's Republic doesn't resemble that of the Panama City, FL area in late-August - but I really don't know.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

Oh, never freaking mind...

Submitted by DocJ on Wed, 2008-06-11 14:40.

Maverick will simply not keep his pie-hole shut long enough to allow me to vote for him.

So ANWR == The Grand Canyon, eh Maverick?

We are so totally freaking screwed.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

Let me discourage you even more Doc

Submitted by aceintx on Wed, 2008-06-11 15:28.

He's also come out for the Federal Government setting rules on how much CEOs are allowed too earn

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080610/usa_politics_mccain.html?.v=4

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

So far he's for:

Submitted by aceintx on Wed, 2008-06-11 15:42.

Global Cap and Trade...In fact, he's pushing for it while the Democrats are running away from the issue in the Senate this week like scalded dogs.

He's said in the last couple days he's against drilling in ANWR and won't lift a finger to allow drilling off shore. If his comments about the Grand Canyon is correct, we won't be able to drill in Utah and extract the oil from the oil shale there.

He's thrown Hagee under the bus and all but called him an anti Semite when Hagee is recognized by Israel as one of their greatest supporters in America. Not only that, he's added insult to injury by refusing to meet with Billy Graham as if he's some fanatical Christian extremist.

He won't meet or campaign with Cheny.

He's announced that Bloomberg is being considered as VP

and that's all I've heard lately without going out and looking for something to raise hell about!

I'm fast approaching the point of making an absolute and unambiguous, as well as an irrevocable declaration that I will not vote for him this side of hell freezing over even at the threat of death!

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

I'll take it a step further...

Submitted by DocJ on Wed, 2008-06-11 15:54.

He's getting to the point where I will seriously consider working for his defeat in November.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

A story that seems appropriate

Submitted by Jack Savage on Thu, 2008-06-12 02:18.

A maiden was walking down a path in the woods one winter when she came upon a snake.
"Please, please," he said, "Please take me to your home and warm me up or I will surely die."
"But you are a snake," she said, "Won't you bite me?"
"NO - never!" he replied.
Later on, when he was safe and warm, he slithered over to the maiden, and bit her.
As she lay dying, she cried, "But you promised! You promised not to bite me!"

And he replied, "You knew I was a snake when you picked me up."

Oh yeah - I already had that covered...

Submitted by DocJ on Wed, 2008-06-11 15:53.

...here.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

McCain 08...The other white meat...oops...Can I say that?

Submitted by aceintx on Wed, 2008-06-11 15:11.

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

Let me revise and extend my remarks on that last...

Submitted by aceintx on Wed, 2008-06-11 15:30.

There's little different between McCain and Obama is what I was getting at...I don't want anyone reading anything racial into that at all because it didn't enter my mind that it could be interpreted that way till it was too late!

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

Ace

Submitted by Brian Simpson on Wed, 2008-06-11 15:35.

You mean you posted something without thinking it all the way through?

Shocker I tell ya!

;)

Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.

LOL...I know that goes totally against the image you all have

Submitted by aceintx on Wed, 2008-06-11 15:44.

of me!

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

I'm not there yet Doc but it's getting to the point where the

Submitted by aceintx on Wed, 2008-06-11 17:30.

RNC needs to advise Congressmen and Senators running this year they need to do what they need to do because this is getting to where it's not a question of whether we can take four years of Barry but how much damage can be done to the GOP by working for this candidate and how much damage are we willing to allow him to inflict on us!

You'll not hear that on RS...but he's doing real damage and the question is when will we say enough?

Oh...I forgot to mention that he has stiff armed the reddest state in the nation with the largest congressional delegation because he's told the Texas GOP Convention to shove it!

I've laughed my butt off over at RS today and had a great time but I'm still barely suppressing a blind rage that is building with each of McCain's self serving, treasonous acts and statements!

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

RS is fine when they're putting the smack-down...

Submitted by DocJ on Thu, 2008-06-12 02:28.

... to Barry or defending the distortions of some of McCain's easily distortable bon mots.

But no, you won't hear much "holding his feet to the fire" with regard to Maverick's constant, becomming ever more frequent, and insanely counter-productive trips off the Republican (to say nothing of Conservative) reservation at RS, PowerLine, or a whole host of other places.

And it absolutely flipping kills me because the issue of "DRILL NOW!" has bipartisan appeal and is, to my mind, precisely the one issue that could start to turn the general electorate in the GOP's direction this fall if they went all-in with it. The Dems have given us 30-years of "We don't need no stinking domestic oil" - including a treasure-trove from the last 18-months - and have fallen completely flat on their 2006 "promise" to bring down gas prices (when it was at what now seems like the discount price of about $2.50 / gal.).

But it's damn near impossible to do that when the guy at the top of the ticket - who will, like it or not, be the point Maverick for all that Republicans believe this year - is saying NO to ANWR and won't lift a finger to help the cause of drilling FIFTY FREAKING MILES off-shore.

But I hear you, ace - Maverick is absolutely killing the GOP. Oh sure, he might squeak-out a victory against the unqualified, America-hating neo-commie this November, but at what cost to what is going to have to be seen by the electorate as a bipolar party that is 180-degrees opposed to the President (nominally) from the same party?

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

That has always been my point about McCain

Submitted by Jack Savage on Thu, 2008-06-12 05:38.

HE has hurt the party far more than disaffected conservatives ever could.

If he unites the party and wins, he deserves as much credit as a kid who intentionally broke a window deserves for fixing it.

Dead on Doc...For you reading pleasure...Here's an email I sent

Submitted by aceintx on Thu, 2008-06-12 14:30.

in reply to a fund raising letter I got from McCain and the RNC today! I copied it from a reply I made to GC at RS last night and nodified it to make it flow better and made it personal and direct to McCain:

Quote:

Dear John,

We have races in the Senate to win, and races in the House of Representatives to win, and other down ticket races to win...We need to form a unified, conservative message to accomplish this task...and every issue we come up with to confront the Democrats, there's John McCain looking back at us. But hey...don't fuss and whine and criticize him because we have an election to win. All that matters is that we stop Barry Obama...and if we destroy the entire party and torpedo all those down ticket Republicans to do it...well...what of it? Get over it, We've got an election to win.

We shouldn’t criticize You John because no matter how much you trash us and demonizes us and pander to the Democrats and the press to prove you’re not Bush III, “At least you’re not as bad as Berry”, right? You’re not as bad as the other guy. Stopping Barry is all that matters no matter what long term damage you do to the Party as long as we promote you and your leftist policies to stop Barry!

I've ignored the POTUS race for a while and what you have said on the trail...this has enabled me to not go out of my way to attack you...YOU JOHN MCCAIN are crapping on Billy Graham because you don't want to be accused of having a Jeremiah Wright in your closet?! You can’t find time to meet with the most honest and decent man to come around in a long time, who’s met with every President, Republican or Democrat, since Harry Truman? I see you have a speech scheduled next week with La Raza, (The Race) who are a collection of Racists reminiscent of the Klan of the early twentieth century and advocates returning your state of AZ, my state of Texas, California, Nevada and other states to Mexico. You’ve got time to meet with them and pander for their votes…but you can’t bring yourself to meet with those “agents of intolerance” as represented by Billy Graham can you? That sticks in my craw like nothing else...but what do I know...I'm just a knuckle dragging extra chromosome Christian Conservative. What am I gonna do...vote for Barry?!

Let me give you a clue on what’s going on with the Christian vote Johnny Boy…you know, those Christian’s who do the work of the Republican Party…The ones who man the phones, and raise money, and drive people to the polls and knock on doors to shill for you…You might not have time to meet with us…but Barry does. As you and your country club friends have shunned us, the Democrats have been actively pursuing our support since the day after the 2004 elections. Though I can’t see myself going to the Democrats, I figure there’s enough that know where they’re welcome and jump to the warmer water promised by the Democrats to sink you…but who cares what I say…who am I? I didn’t go to the Naval Academy, or to any of the Ivy League schools you and you’re Country Clubbers did. I’m to stupid to know what’s best for me…I need you and the rest of the Rockefeller wing fat cats to tell me what’s best for me!

Then I hear that you’ve come out for using the Federal Government to regulate people's salaries! Those greedy Oil Executives and Pharmaceutical CEOs are out of control and we need uncle Sam to come in and tell them how much they are allowed to earn...I fought that one in 1992 when Slick Willy was pushing it and now I've got to swallow it from you because we have to stop Barry?

Then I watch Democrats running for the hills on the Cap and Trade vote last week with their pants on fire and I think...yeah...we can hit em with that...but there's John standing with his arms crossed still preaching on the one hand about lowering taxes while on the other hand talking about raising them with the very Cap and Trade legislation that Harry Reid couldn't run away from fast enough!

By the way That's another one I fought against in 1992 when Slick Willy and Al Gore wanted to push it...back then it was called a carbon tax...and we fought like hell to stop it...now I've got to swallow that too....But hey...why worry about it...we've got to stop Barry, our guy's better than Barry at least...right?

Then this week, Republicans start gaining traction against the Dems on the price of oil and polls show us gaining in our argument that we need to drill here, and drill now...and guess who pipes up from the peanut gallery to blow the whole thing to kingdom come?

"We can't drill in ANWR because that would be like drilling in the Grand Canyon"...We can't lift a finger to drill off shore....that's up to the States...Well John....you're WRONG The coastal waterways and territorial waters don't belong to the States...they're a Federal Government responsibility...they are FEDERAL property...I know you’re saying it's up to the States to deflect the decision from your self and to keep from upsetting your extreme environmental leftist friends...but of course, I'm not supposed to point that out, am I...as for drilling in ANWR being like drilling in the Grand Canyon…We’re talking about an area the size of Texas aren’t we… How you figure a few oil rigs on an area the size of several eastern states combined would be like drilling in the Grand Canyon is beyond me…but hey…we don’t want to be Bush III do we? We've got to stop Barry don't we? You’re better for us than the Marxist...aren’t you? Just get out of the way, we've got an election to win!

Well John…you’ve made it clear you could care less about Conservatives and have set about trying to win this election without us by courting ‘Moderates and Independents” Here’s a suggestion for you John…Go to your Moderates and Independents to raise funds because I’m too busy working on the Congressional level to minimize the damage you are doing and will do to our Party.

In short, take your fundraising letters and stick them where they belong and remove me from your email list!

I thought about it since I posted last night and I'm done...his contemptable behavior towards Billy Graham is the final straw for me...he can find time to speak to La Raza and pander for their votes but can't pay the simplest of respects for a man revered by practically every single Christian in this country?

A pox on him and his candidacy!

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

I would like to take exception to your disrespectful rant

Submitted by David Hinz on Thu, 2008-06-12 15:00.

against John McCain.

I'd like to.....but I can't.

Submitted by DocJ on Thu, 2008-06-12 15:28.

And a 5-plus for ace.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

5 5 5 nt

Submitted by Jaded on Thu, 2008-06-12 15:30.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

LOL...maybe we can clean it up and make it a petition LOL

Submitted by aceintx on Thu, 2008-06-12 20:27.

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

ROFL...You're just a trouble maker Hinz....LOL

Submitted by aceintx on Fri, 2008-06-13 12:47.

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

Here's a few

Submitted by Jack Savage on Thu, 2008-06-12 05:42.

Because no matter who wins, I'm not going anywhere
or
Golden chains are better than steel ones
or
Maybe freedom, prosperity and achievement are not what they are cracked up to be

How about Velvet Chains...

Submitted by aceintx on Thu, 2008-06-12 20:28.

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

Vote McCain...

Submitted by Neil Stevens on Fri, 2008-06-13 10:04.

... because how are you going to live it down when your kids ask what you did to stop Obama.

... because you know, a war hero, spending cutter, and feisty, pro-victory Republican won't be bad at all to have in the White House.

... because we're not the Judean People's Front.
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

Ah, so it's for the children eh?

Submitted by DocJ on Fri, 2008-06-13 10:08.

Good luck with that.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

Oh, a subtle "Suicide Voter" reference. How cute.

Submitted by DocJ on Fri, 2008-06-13 10:14.

Don't know how I missed that after the first read - probably still laughing over the "how am I going to explain to my children..." schtick

BTW, it's Maverick Voter, Neil - get with the times. "Suicide Voter" is so 2007.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

Suicide voter wasn't my intent

Submitted by Neil Stevens on Fri, 2008-06-13 11:36.

I was more thinking of conservatives as being the Judeans, and suggesting that if we don't hang together, we shall hang separately.

I guess you've done a lot of watching of the deleted scenes of the suicide squad then :-)
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

Sorry Neil - my bad.

Submitted by DocJ on Fri, 2008-06-13 12:42.

Yeah, that's a much clearer reference - should have caught it.

Too much going on around the homestead this week - not really firing on all cylinders. Not even close, truth be told.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

It happens :-) (nt)

Submitted by Neil Stevens on Fri, 2008-06-13 14:09.

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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

Neil...I've asked you this before...What is the Judean People's

Submitted by aceintx on Fri, 2008-06-13 11:57.

Front?

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

From the movie The Life of Brian

Submitted by Neil Stevens on Fri, 2008-06-13 14:10.

It depicts Judean resistance to the Romans as being populated entirely by college lefty types, all splitting into their own ideologically pure liberation fronts all having only a few members each. Each hates the other more than they hate the Romans, heh.

Prominent in the movie are the Judean People's Front, the People's Front of Judea, and the Judean Popular Front (one member).
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

I've seen the movie but it's been so long ago I've forgotten all

Submitted by aceintx on Fri, 2008-06-13 16:26.

of it...LOL

Thanks for answering it...I knew there was a joke in there and I can't stand it when I don't understand the punch line

:>)

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

One more

Submitted by Neil Stevens on Fri, 2008-06-13 11:37.

... because voting for him doesn't bring an obligation to listen to his speeches, or to pull your punches once he's in office.
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

Hmmmm....

Submitted by Jack Savage on Fri, 2008-06-13 11:39.

You're getting warmer....

I'm not pulling my punches any more anyway...so how does that

Submitted by aceintx on Fri, 2008-06-13 12:00.

work for me?

Color me officially off the I can't stand him but I'll vote for him and unto the I can't stand him and I wouldn't vote for him if he named me as VP!

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

I like the shades of grey tag by the way...I've never paid

Submitted by aceintx on Fri, 2008-06-13 12:03.

attention to it before...and it make sense...make that a 5 squared for the tag!

:>)

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:
”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

What Jack Savage said...

Submitted by DocJ on Fri, 2008-06-13 12:43.

... by far the closest yet.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

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