Pssst! Hey, Fredheads - over here for a confab

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Let's just move this to the FP, eh? - DocJ

IT'S TIME TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT BOTH THE LONG WAR AND THE SHORT WAR, THEN DO THE RIGHT THING

Originally posted at RedState - edited mildly to reflect the fact that TMR is largely ALREADY Fred country, and there's no need to tell non-FH's to make nice and stay away ;o)

My fellow Fredheads, let's have a little heart-to-heart, shall we?

Why Listen To EPU Anyway?


(1) I certainly AM one of you – some flatter me with the honorific Ringleader of the Fredheads(not true at TMR). As we say, aw go on…..
(2) I state it here and now: Fred Thompson would have been the best nominee, he would have beaten Obama, and he would have absolutely been the best 44th President out of this field of 20-ish candidates. He would have unified the party around conservative themes and brought in plenty of the political center due to a clear, winning message that all Republicans would have heartily rallied around. And coattails galore.
(3) I have demonstrated my conservative chops – the Russell Kirk diaries, et al.
(4) Like you, I have major difficulties with McCain as the Republican nominee, and with McCain as the 44th President.

And for reasons I'll explain at length, I am here to say to my compatriots....
It's time for the Fredheads to set aside our differences with McCain and get busy getting him elected, for the long-term good of the conservative cause.

Many of you are with me already, some tenuously. I am here to say it's not ideal, but it is a slam-dunk argument. And we need to do it.

The Long War

What is it that conservatives want in the long haul, and by that I mean 15-30 years? We could go into details of all sorts, but let's stick to the most basic:
(1) American freedoms secured much like the Founding Fathers envisioned.
(2) The entire judiciary, from top to bottom -- out of the activism business.
(3) A moral compass in place in American life.
(4) Our national interests and borders secure and respected world-wide.
(5) Small government RADICALLY smaller (say 1/4 current size), most cabinet positions and bureaucracies - GONE. The entire onerous regulatory system – GONE, with only such exceptions as are prudent and constitutionally sound.
(6) Energy independence without surrendering to AGW fantasies, and whatever other alarmist nonsense the stupid commies think up next.

I've probably left out a couple of the basics, but you can easily see how these lead to things like Roe v Wade gone, SS privatized then phased out, other entitlements gone, fences up, military without peer, more drilling, taxes way down, and etc and etc. Let's not get bogged down in details.

So THOSE are what we want. The obvious way to get there is through this:
(1) The Republican Party is the vehicle. Period.
(2) That being the case, conservatives must take over the party, to be direct. There are two methods for that, and I recommend using them both.
(a) Purge the GOP elected ranks of RINOs and trough-sucking pigs. Purge it hard, bitter, and thorough. Primary them with conservatives, and don't think twice about nice manners, the buddy system, or seniority. And for Pete’s sake, quit choosing presumed electability over principles. Look where THAT has gotten us.
(b) Engage in an aggressive, long-term campaign of education and advocacy to sell conservative principles, Reagan- style, to the party faithful, and to the American people.
(3) Having taken over the party, and established that the Republican brand means core conservatism, now take our message -- the REAL message of hope and change-- to the American public and start winning elections. Build it from the grassroots up. Do it in city councils and school boards. (if we get our way, 30 years from now there will be no public school system, no school boards, but for now we gotta deal with ‘em).

Make no mistake, the long war is definitely war. The party of squishes (yes, that's us) will not easily give up it's spot at the trough. There will be blood spilt. Entrenched squishes must be primaried. Up-and-coming squishes must be stepped on. An impolite, bloody business, yes. So be it. My knives are already sharpened.

Not all of the benefits of conservative governance are immediately recognizable (kicking people off of welfare, deporting the crap out of illegal aliens, investing heavily in Iraq's liberation, e.g.), and so stupid people will frankly never get it. But because it's a slightly harder sale does NOT mean that most Americans can't get it. They WILL GET IT if we sell the vision with aplomb and verve, baby! The stupid people? Well, they've always got ACORN, ELF, Code Pink, ACLU, and the New York Times.

The Short War

The short war is NOT the time from now to Nov 5. It is the time from now until Jan 2013. We have minorities in both Houses that figure to get worse in January. We have both GOP and Democrat candidates in place, and largely they are known quantities. Their names are BAD and MUCH, MUCH WORSE. . I choose BAD, and so should you.

Now here is the crux of the short war. At this point read the section below entitled Why We'll Support McCain if you need to, I'm not going to restate it all here. The Short War for conservative Americans is this:
(1) Get McCain elected.
(2) Ensure that conservatives can go on record as saying we helped McCain get elected.
(3) Get as many Republican Senators and Congressmen elected as we can.
(4) Keep McCain from promising away the store before he gets elected.
(5) Once he gets elected, get conservatives a seat at the table, and get enough conservative muscle in Congress to keep his leftisms in check.

I know, I know, these 5 things are HIGHLY contradictory. Oh MERCY, do I know. McCain has no coattails This is what a career of mavericking and media-whoring get you. Republican candidates cannot say "vote for me so I can help enact the McCain agenda". So #3 has to be accomplished by sheer muscular effort. So that means you and me, the Fredheads, working not only on our local and state levels, but also on very-tight races in other states. We have to help.

#4 is particularly dicey. McCain goes on his AGW jags, and pulls stupid stunts like the NCGOP thing. He does these things, and when he does, we can and should castigate him with a modest amount of enthusiasm. He has to learn to respect conservative muscle, and the GOP ain't gonna teach him, nor will the Treason Media. It's Fredheads and talk radio (Rush) that are going to do it.

The other side of the coin, though, is #1. Discipline McCain, but do NOT pull support. Do not, in public, even threaten to pull support - and in public includes 'on RedState'. We need a seat at the McCain table - which means, balancing our need to punish his mavericking with our need to be able to say that we did not undercut his campaign with excessive criticism.

So to coin a phrase, sometimes take the opportunity to just stuff a sock in it.

The Problems With McCain

I could spend a week here. We all know the deal, and that’s why the Fredheads are holding out. But I’ll just hit the highlights, so that there’s no misunderstanding about why we are so……..lacking in Johnny Mac love. Uh, the lowlights. Whatever.

(1) Notwithstanding his 82% ACU rating, he has no true respect for core conservative principles, nor does he pass up many opportunities to aim his guns at conservatives.
(2) His frequent and notable mavericking are always leftward.
(3) He’s on disconcertingly good terms with Democrats. For all his enthusiasm at shooting live rounds at Republicans, he insists on playing the Comity Card when it comes to the Democrats. And he insists that YOU play the same card too.
(4) He’s a stubborn, pig-headed crusader, which would be nice if he were a *conservative* pig-headed crusader. But he got it in his head that the solution to campaign finance corruption required a massively stupid plan which solved nothing, gave Soros great purchasing power, and oh, that little First Amendment right to free political speech now belongs only to lefty unions and the Treason Media. He’s the self-appointed expert on AGW so now we need more obscenely burdensome government regulation. And so on.
(5) His loyalty even to the Party (not just conservatives) is, to be generous, iffy.
(6) He appears to believe the winning strategy for this election is bolting leftward and giving the bird to conservatives.

I think that’s enough to work with.

Why We'll Support McCain

Alright, this is really complicated so pay attention.

THE ALTERNATIVE IS INFINITELY WORSE.



That’s not debatable. Don’t try. If Macho Bambi gets to park his lying, inexperienced, Marxist butt in the Oval office, then:
(1) The war against global Islamist terrorism will face 4 years of full-scale retreat, Iraq will have been betrayed in the worst possible way, and the terrorists will be able and willing to bring it to our shores. It won’t be lost, because in 2013 we will have a Republican president named Bobby Jindal. But we’ll be in desperate straits.
(2) If you enjoyed Bill Clinton stripping the military down to nothing while the storms gathered, then you will REALLY dig what Bambi does.
(3) 3 lefty Supreme Court Justices will immediately retire and be replaced by clones 30 years younger. Roe v Wade will be out of reach until 2035.
(4) Fairness Doctrine, which will hamper future conservative electoral chances even more than McCain-Feingold did. We may not get Congress back for 30 years.
(5) Tax. Spend. Entitlement. Socialized health care.
(6) Economy in a death spiral.
(7) You name it. If you fear it, Bambi and his 60% majorities will perpetrate it.

If you are tempted to fall back on the argument “hey, 4 years in the wilderness will REALLY teach Republicans a lesson”, or the other one, “at least this way the Democrats will get blamed for all the bad things that happen”, I respond with (in order) “when did the Republicans ever learn that lesson?”, and “When did the Dems ever get blamed for anything?”.

No debate. If Obama becomes president (and this would have been true for almost any Democrat candidate, Macho Bambi ain’t special) we lose the Long War. McCain is a setback for conservatism, but he won’t cost us the Long War. Let's not let pride get in the way and cost us more than we could ever imagine by having 4 years of Communist-Marxist rule that our nation, our United States, might never recover from.

To Sum Up


Fredheads, you know I love you. You know I’m yours. But you got to swallow the bitter pill for now, for the sake of winning the Long War. Bobby Jindal is coming, the conservative farm club is looking magnificent at several levels. Conservatism at the grassroots level is making a comeback, and thanks in part to right-bloggery, it’s easier now than ever before to teach people, gather forces, raise money,

But meanwhile we can’t give away the country before Jindal gets here. So…..here’s what we do.

Cowboy up. Anybody can whine.


Support McCain in 08.


Don’t feed the Democrats.


During the campaign season when Johnny does his crazy things, do a proper amount of chastising, then zip it. And no need to recite the whole list of things he’s ever done. We all know. Let it rest.


Work for your local and state campaigns.


If you’re in a swing state, double your efforts.


When you feel the urge to gratuitously bash McCain….

Don’t.


Long War. Hold the fort. Jindal is coming.

So……what say you guys? It's a confab, which means you tell the rest of us what you think too.

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simpson316's picture
But don't you have front page privileges?


Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.

I just accede to Steve on what he thinks is FP stuff. This one is a stinking marathon read.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated.

simpson316's picture
that just about anything on the opinion front gets promoted. Especially the well thought out stuff. From people with fp privileges.


Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.
DocJ's picture

... but it's just not one I can personally go along with. Sorry man - but I don't think the long war is aided by the pasting we're going to take in 2010 (on top of the shellacking we're going to take this year) if Maverick is in the WH when the current bubbles burst.

Gad, what a flipping nightmare. Paraphrasing one of the best summations of this race I've read, even if we manage to keep the Chocolate Messiah out of the White House the next 4-years is going to be no better than the Presidential equivalent of a prison colonoscopy, sans lube. Crud.

BTW, I'm going to take the liberty of moving this to the FP - where it richly deserves to be.

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David Hinz's picture

but instead I decided to make it into a separate post; Do You Know How To Eat An Elephant?

DocJ's picture

And I strongly suspected that was largely in response to me. But I would ask seriously - what course of action - working to elect Maverick or doing nothing and letting St. Barack and his Brother Marxists bring us back to the Carter era and beyond - better aids us in The Long War?

I've long held that you don't win by losing, but if by winning now we fall further and further behind so that by 2012 we're looking at President Hillary with a veto-proof Democrat House and Senate how in Heaven's name does that help us?

Seriously man, I think we're forced to confront some of those ludicrously painful questions now.

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David Hinz's picture

and yes, D*** it, it does mean [mumbles incoherently] for McCAIN.

but more inportantly, for YOU it means beating the bushes for Beatty. It means getting out a video camera and meeting Beatty and getting him to do questions and answers on TMR.tv

For me, it means doing the same for MY representative, Tim Walberg. It means I do a little legwork and do the same for Rep Hoekstra and any other Conservative nearby enough to try to get on video stating Conservative principles.

Steve does the same in California (or possibly Cyclone-ville)

Gordon does the same in NY, GC and Caleb in NC -- do you see the pattern?

Obviously, we are starting small, and maybe, the first time around we have little impact. But we keep taking bites until the whole d*** elephant is eaten.

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I guess we'll agree to disagree on the first sentence but I'm totally on board with the rest.

I'll have to find someone with a vid cam (I'm a luddite, I suppose - I only recently chucked my throw-away still cameras for a digital), but I am, indeed, totally down with getting some face time with Beatty for TMR.tv

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

It has not been a picnic for me. I'm saving my ammo for the minute the polls close. And I plan to be a 4-year thorn in the side.

Your tag line is great, it's inspiring. I actually have a diary half-cooked up, based on that theme - it's called 'Republicans Need to Learn to Play Pit Bull Politics'. Due out maybe next 2 weeks.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated.

Hey Batman, who is Bruce Wayne? I'm supposed to know who, but I forgot.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated.

David Hinz's picture

an alcoholic at 20. One helluva writer though....he got me started down the path to Journalism...

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I think you are overly optimistic with your 15-30 year long war... I see it as a 50 year effort. It will take decades to turn back the indoctrination of our young in the marxist social experiment.

It will be a Herculean feat to elect Conservatives to Washington -- then re-elect conservatives when the first batch gets caught up in the Washington elite circle of friends.

I am with you bro, but it is going to take longer than most conservatives are willing to accept. Too often we give up after a few years of headbutting the brick wall. We have to learn to accept the pain and still fight on. I'm 55. I might not see the end of this struggle, but I hope that my children can.

but that's the goal. no way that whole list is done in 15, but I think 15-30 is a timeframe people can fathom. And you're right, we have a history of settling after big victoires (1994).

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated.

simpson316's picture
Especially when you can get absentee to break some of his own pet peeves.


Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.

First, nice post EPU. I haven't ventured over here often and I don't comment much over at RS. In fact, most of you probably don't know me. I had to stop my own blog last year (too damn busy) but I do have things to say... that don't seem all that appropriate at RS. I guess I'll try the TMR jacket on an see how it feels. As for me, I'm a soldier. I don't do "gray areas" and I don't do anything other than fight to win. So, I'm in for McCain. Seriously, nice post EPU...

David Hinz's picture

We can always use a good debate. You are welcome here for sure.

Steven Foley's picture

You're always welcome here... We glad to have you!

And I think most here recognize you from RS I know I do!

Grab your fav. beverage and stay awhile ;0)

A few problems, structural and otherwise, lurk:

1) Conservatives are more "adapt and overcome" than "oh Lord, my miserable life needs to be validated by my guys running the government". I will thrive regardless of what is in place, and I am not interested in a "war". I am interested in doing what I can in my little circle, starting first with my children. So immediately, we have a problem.

2) It IS a war, but Democrats are terrorists, and thus have another distinct advantage. To use an analogy, while conservatives fret over military tribunals, Democrats will happily behead, burn, and hang the body from a bridge. Until we (conservatives) are willing to bring AK-47's to a fistfight, I am not interested. I want Lee Atwater on steroids with a bad tequila headache to be my spokesperson.

3) The last thing I am going to do is support the person who CAUSED most of the damage we are dealing with now. Sorry. I made a promise to myself when John McCain was thinking of becoming Kerry's VP, and I am not breaking it now. As I have said before, everyone has to draw a line somewhere, and John McCain is mine.

4) If Barack Obama gets elected, then Democrats will finally face the fact that they need to behave like grownups. In no way, shape or form are they willing to enact their idiotic legislation or troop withdrawal scheme and bear the brunt of the consequences. George Bush has let them have their way without calling their bluff. I am calling their bluff, and will watch gleefully as they implode when the troops aren't brought home immediately, for example. Conservatives have made a big point of insisting people live with stupid choices, and if America does something this stupid we deserve what we get.

5) I won't have to listen to any more whining from African Americans or their liberal mouthpieces if Obama is elected, and that alone may be worth it. It may also, finally, convince them all that America IS the greatest country in the world, and it is up to them, and all of us, to make good use of the opportunities we have. Obama parlayed the thinnest of resumes into a nomination for President - why can't we all have simlar success?

6) Conservatives will not get any credit for a McCain win, no matter what. Period. We could all set ourselves on fire in front of precincts across America to prove our loyalty, and we would not get credit. The McCain campaign has been, and will be, designed to make an end run around conservatives, merely placating us as Democrats placate African Americans, propping up the Obama boogeyman to frighten us into supporting McCain.

So everyone can go ahead and shout "It's YOUR fault! YOU elected Barack Obama!". To that I say "bull---t". America will choose to elect the idiot, not me. Millions of Americans. My resources will go elsewhere, like to my 401 (K) or kid's 529 plan.

Bu you make a hell of a good argument, EPU, and I really dug your blogs on conservatism at RS.

David Hinz's picture

and work to find and elect a Conservative in YOUR district. Or the next district over...

And will continue to do so. Like attending the local school board meeting for the first time ever.

But I am probably planting trees that I won't live to see provide shade.

Jaded's picture

those trees....keep planting man!

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

aceintx's picture

You've inspired me to do a piece on war and strategy as it applies to politics that I've had in my head for a while and your post has got me going on it.

It will be up soon and part of it's thesis is that sometimes it's good battle tactics to retreat to a more defensible position so you can win the long war by losing the right battle as long as you improve your chances of winning your next engagement. It also touches on how you can lose the overall war by winning battles in the wrong way!

I agree with everything you say in this post up to one point...I've made it over and over again at RS so I'll skim over it quickly but everything hinges on who McCain picks as his heir apparent. If he nominates a squish VP and we're faced with the prospect of running against another squish as the party pick in four or eight years...I'm out!

4 years of Obama is a better bet to me than 8 years of McCain followed by another 8 years of say Graham or some other crony from his gang of squishes who would likely nominate another squish to follow him and so on!

I'm working locally on getting Conservatives on the farm team but San Antonio isn't friendly territory...Squish city if you know what I mean

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:

”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

simpson316's picture
See Cheney.
Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.
David Hinz's picture

It was understood from the day he was picked to be VP that he would never be running for the top spot because of his health.

I loved his pick. However, shortly after the 2006 mid-term election I always thought that he should have had "heart problems" and stepped down, allowing the President to appoint a successor.

Cheney should have "stepped down" after the '06 elections. Yet at the time I'd have fought for Condi as veep and realize now how truly dreadful that would have been. She has been awful the past 2 years with her non-management of Foggy Bottom and her appeasement of Arabs.

I now lack all faith that Bush would have picked the right person. His appointees have been almost (I repeat, almost) uniformly terrible.

Checking out TMR (thanks to EPU for the tip) since RS is really getting on my last nerve...

You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.

DocJ's picture

Good to see you here. Hope we're "interesting" enough to keep you around!

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

Jaded's picture

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

aceintx's picture

I'm with my Co Chair and sister in the struggle for liberty and justice for our fellow Red State refugees...LOL

Take your shoes off and sit a spell! I'm

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:

”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

Jaded's picture

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

aceintx's picture

LOL

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:

”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

Looking forward to your posts here!

David Hinz's picture

that we all hope to see a lot more of. Welcome. I agree, I was on the Condi bandwagon in 2006, and still could be to some extent. The problems with State cannot be managed in a single year or two. That job requires someone ruthless enough to chop off heads and waterboard subordinates until the rest of the bureaucrazy comes around.

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mores the pitty that his ticker is bad first off, and the press has been allowed to demonize the man far beyond what he deserves

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:

”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

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I don't wan't to be facing the same crap four years from now that "He's the nominee" and "We're a Republican site so we have to elect him" or "He's better than the Marxist".

I want someone to vote FOR because he has at least some redeeming qualities not because "at least he's better than the other guy!

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:

”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

Inre McCain's VP pick though. I'm very hot and bothered about it, because frankly he owes conservatives a little better than we've gotten from him.

But if we play out the scenario where he makes a really BAD pick like Charlie Crist. I'll hate it, and it'll pretty much secure McCain a high spot on my permanent all-star " Hate You" list. But I say a large part of the party is getting bery, very tired of centrist, squishy crap. This kind of VP will GUARANTEE that Jindal runs. And Jindal might have trouble getting past say Mark Sanford or Jim DeMint, but he would CRUSH any squish.

So Johnny's VP pick does not concern me past whatever effect it has in the 08 election.

That's my thought anyway. But regardless, and on your theme, McCain will be a bad enough president that he will STILL help trigger a major unsurge of conservatism, same as a Bambi presidency, but without giving away the country to the terrorists.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated.

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I'm breaking up the themes since there is much more fertile ground in the Battle of Gettysburg to make my point about retreating to obtain a larger victory. The other will be on the Battle of Guilford Courthouse about how General Cornwallis defeated the Continental forces by opening fire with Gannon loaded with Grape shot in the middle of the field when it looked like the Continentals would overrun his forces. His tactic beat back the American forces but it wiped out a large part of his force because they were intermixed with the Continental Army at the crucial point of the cannonade. Yeah...he won the battle...but lost the War because he was defeated weeks later at Yorktown. I have each of those completed and I'm working on a third in my head using Lee as the Republican PArty and Grant as the Democrats and contrasting their strategy or warfare

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:

”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

DocJ's picture

I simply cannot wait for these.

They sound like great reads.

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aceintx's picture

Idoubt I'll put them up at RS because I need to stay away a while and let things cool down, besides....they seem to be back in "Shut up and get in line mode again because Moe said as much when closing a thread that I thought raise perfectly legitiamte questions.

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:

”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

Freedom of speech on a conservative site would be nice.

You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.

simpson316's picture
You are not having your constitutional right to free speech abridged on RedState.

1. RedState is not the federal government

2. RedState is private property. They have every right to set what ever limits that they want to on their site.

Frankly all of the whining about RS is getting tiresome. If you don't like it there, stop going there. There are lots of other conservative blogs out there that you can read and comment on.


Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.
David Hinz's picture

you are always hardest on family. When RS disappoints one of us, we feel like the family has been betrayed

aceintx's picture

discussion when the thumb screws aren't being applied. I'm not bitching about them with what I just said...I just need to stay away a while because I've had my head handed to me and I need to let the dust settle. I do bristle when I'm told "We're a Republican site" as if those that refuse to buy the company line aren't Republicans but they're entitled to that opinion and I'm entitled to mine. I've dialogged with Erick by email about what happened with Gator and we're on the same page...I don't know where I am with the rest of the Mods over there but we'll see when things settle down.

I'm glad you're here BTW because I want to clear up what I meant the other night with my comment about CNN and Iraq

I've thought about it and I reread it yesterday and I can see why you and Abs took offense. I think Jaded or C17 jumped my behind about it too, and rightfully so. I am apologizing here for offending you and the rest and I don't ever want it to be said of me that I can't or won't admit when I'm wrong. I still believe what I said but I'm apologizing for the way I said it.

My reply was to someone's, (I think it was yours) comment that Red State has to enforce different standards in order to attract advertisers and gain access to the VIPs that drop by the site. I can see that and I don't begrudge them the right to run the site as they see fit.

My analogy was unfortunate in that I said it and left it lie rather than explaining what I meant.

By comparing that arguement to the situation where CNN shaded the news to maintain access to Iraq my thought was not on the idea that RS is enforcing lies or anything like that. I also didn't think about how loaded my analogy was given the loathing we all feel for CNN as conservatives. I meant to tie the inside the beltway crowd to Saddam....and I'm not positive I want to retract that part of it though...LOL...just kidding...:>)

What I do believe in what I said is that if we, (not just at Red State, but Conservatives in general) soften our message and play into the Inside the beltway political way of saying and doing things to gain access, and refuse to say what we really believe just for the "Privilege" of gaining access....what have we really gained? If we have to tell the beltway crowd how great they are just so we can have access to them, what have we really accomplished by gaining the access. By doing this we basically reinforce what they already think and lose the ability to tell them where they are wrong because we have to keep kissing their asses to maintain the access...and so it goes...round and round in a circle and nothing is ever accomplished.

Hope I haven't thrown any gas on your fire...but I did want to clear that up if I could.

Peace bro

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:

”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

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I'm just putting what I believe are crucial tactical and strategic considerations on the table with the following. I've said before that I hate people that can't make up their minds based on the Biblical admonition that a double minded man is unstable in all his ways...but I can't make up my mind this election cycle...I've said before that I'm tentatively in the vote for McCain this time and hope we have a real choice next time but there are other things to consider.

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This kind of VP will GUARANTEE that Jindal runs. And Jindal might have trouble getting past say Mark Sanford or Jim DeMint, but he would CRUSH any squish.

Be still my beating heart...President Jindal.....sigh...too bad he wasn't the guy now...but I digress.

My thing is this...Gerald Ford 1978! The Party Apparatus united around him even though he wasn't elected when he ascended to the post and even though he was where he was because the Democrat Senate force Nixon to appoint him as VP after Agnew resigned. I'm surprised by how many people are ignorant of the fact that the Democrats in the Senate picked Ford by name and said they would approve no one else to be VP! Ford was a well known squish...not only was he a squish...I think he was overtly a socialist!

The Party used every power they had from setting the primary schedule to favor a squish, to freezing out Reagan Delegates in state and local conventions, to appealing to their allies in the press and working with Democrats to smear Reagan as a "War Monger" and "Dangerous" because he would start war with the Soviet Union!

I'm sure some of this sounds familiar given what happened this year but I digress.

My thing is this...whoever McCain appoints especially if it's a Rockefeller squish, will walk into 2012 or 2016 if McCain stays for eight years, (God forbid), with the full backing of the Rockefeller wing who controls the the Party from the top down and everything they can bring to bear to crush Jindal.

Something else that HAS to be considered is that if McCain wins this year a Republican would have been President for 12 to 16 years and how likely is it that Voters would decide to continue with a Republican for another 8 years. It's never happened that one party has elected a presidency in 6 successive elections over a period of 24 years! If only it would happen but I doubt it!

I said all that to say this...we'll lose at least one presidential election somewhere in the next 24 years barring some miracle. The next question keeping this in mind is...which election is best to lose if we have to pick one. Given that he'd only have one bight of the apple, do we want to run Jindal after 12 to 16 years in the White House making the likelihood he'd be elected for 4 to 8 more extremely doubtful. or would it be better to run him after 4 years of an incompetent Democrat Administration.

Add to this the likelihood of a recession and the likelihood of an S&L type bailout of the banking industry do we really want any R in the White House to be tagged with the blame for the collapse...especially if he's going to bring AGW/Cap and Trade legislation to the table so the Republicans can be blamed for the damage done by that?

Again...I'm not advocating throwing this election because we don't like McCain, or even for the reasons I just stated...But these things need to be thought through and each of us will have make up his own mind which way to go...

At this point I haven't made up my mind....but McCain's VP choice will likely be the deciding factor as to whether I will cast my Vote for McCain or write in none of the above!

In fact, I'f McCain picks a squish, I'd like to find out what it would take to get "None of the above" placed on every state ballot as a Candidate!

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David Hinz's picture

Quote:
It's never happened that one party has elected a presidency in 6 successive elections over a period of 24 years!

The country never picks Senators for President, instead choosing Governors....not this time around.

I think that a lot will depend on the farm system. If the Dems keep putting up Gore/Kerry/Obama/Hillary candidates, we can beat them with our second stringers -- no offense John!

If they find someone credible, we still have the Jindels and the Palins waiting in the wings.

aceintx's picture

don't favor 24 years of Republican Presidents and the question of, "will the damage done by having the blame on the Republican Party in a coming recession", is really worth winning this one especially throwing global cap & trade into the mix.

Then theres the GWOT and judges that keeps me coming back to McCain...

I HATE FEELING LIKE SEAWEED that goes one way when the tide comes in and goes completely the opposite way the moment it goes back out...but that's were I am right now.

McCain's VP is the make or break point for me! at least I hope that will settle my inner turmoil!

CFR, Amnesty, Spending, Corruption,
Earmarks, Socialized Medicine, Global Cap & Trade:

”Your Silence Is Your Consent!”

Jaded's picture

about something serious....there is way to much to jaw about that does not include Redstate......are we whiny liberals or are we hard assed conservatives.....come on people....no time for infighting we have a damn marxist to defeat!

The difference of this site is if you got something nasty to say about McCain you can without being berated other than that they are both conservative/republican sites.

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